I do not know who this Augustine person is or was. My Comment: Good works is not going to get anyone into heaven. His direct words was to Simon renamed Peter??? This in plain languages, that even kids can read and understand. Just yesterday, 2 November 2011, the Church commemorated the All Souls, the day when the Church prays for all departed souls. Blessings. 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. I think judge not lest you be judged would apply to much of this room’s conversation. She is truly worthy to be acknowledged! There is a History of the Early Church and Early Church Fathers is where I’m getting Augustine. The Antichrist will be fully indwelt by Satan. This is the meaning of Matt 16:18, when Jesus speaks of His Church and says that “the gates of hell will not prevail against it.” Here, the Greek word is actually not “hell” but “hades” –the realm of the dead, or death itself. “–NIV version. Ask yourself this. His remains were transferred to Sta. I might add to all those Catholic bashing folk, pick up a book called ” A Biblical defense of Catholicism” by Dave Armstrong if you dare. In my Shona culture, according to oral tradition, we know that Kings were buried in caves and these caves were accessible, only blocked by a big rock. So, the reason that we keep the relics of the saints on or near the altar when we celebrate Mass is to remind us that the Church on earth and the Church in Heaven is the same Church, and that, when we celebrate Mass, these same saints are truly with us and are worshiping the Lord with us. In short, preserving the remains of our beloved ones is a common practice among humanity. Always follow God’s Word. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed from that moment. See also this excerpt from the Homilies on the Epistle to the Romans, by St. John Chrysostom (A.D. 347 – 407). Hold your heads up and remember what the Lord said about, “Sound Doctrine”. I;m with Casey on this subject. I follow God himself not man. How Climate Change Will Impact Homeowners. It is not enough to say that “Catholics believe in Jesus Christ” since there are true and false kinds of belief. And some that were burying a man, saw the rovers, and cast the body into the sepulchre of Eliseus. but anyone sprinkled with water as a baby is not. “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. There is nothing in the Bible which suggest displaying bodies for viewing or veneration. Is not Jesus the Son of GOD the only Mediator between GOD and man? Two veils of silk were placed over the face and hands of the pontiff. Born again? Therefore Peter is also called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. To these things all the Asiatic churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time” (ibid., 3:3:4). Everyone? I personally find this very offensive to Catholic, being one myself. The Pope has put on public display nine tiny fragments of bone which may belong to St Peter, the first Pope. “When I had come to Rome, I [visited] Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. In ordinary terms, the simple procedure is that the Popes are buried in the graveyard which is below Saint Peter’s Basilica among their predecessors. Read your Bible, share the good news and keep worship simple. However, most popes are not on display as the saints but laid to rest in the Vatican Grottoes, which is like a cemetery accessible like any family cemetery. The same can be said of every denomination or religion. Matthew 1:23 – “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”. It is not a secret place and any one can visit the Vatican Grottoes which is a major tourist attraction in Italy. “John Damascene”), ca. It is Babylonian essentially. A.D. 676 – 754/87, in his “Exposition of the Orthodox Faith”: These [the bodies of the Saints] are made treasuries and pure habitations of God: For I will dwell in them, said God, and walk in them, and I will be their God. View top-quality illustrations of Body Of Pope Pius Ix On Display In St Peters Basilica In Rome Engraving Italy 19th Century. 4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. i would believe this logical and reality rather than believing on faith based false religion with many fallacies and illogical concept of faulty doctrine, not in reality to the practical life. This including popes like Innocent IX, Benedicts XII and XV, Pius XI and Paul VI. The bas-relief shows the victory over the Turks in Vienna in 1683. If reading the Bible was mandatory to our salvation, Our Lord Jesus Christ would certainly have told the apostles to read, and would have ordered everybody to read it. The only other popes in glass coffins for public viewing are Blessed Innocent XI (who died in … Denomination has NOTHING to do with the Kingdom of God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit and I hope and pray you find that out before it’s too late. The rest of us are created beings, sinners that needs to stop mocking God, and repent. You can quote scripture till your blue in the face and and all they do is repeat the same scripture out of context of the whole Bible. Where does it say in Scripture that Christ founded any such system as a church? Jesus says he will reveal himself to those who love him by doing what he teaches. “Far be it from me to speak adversely of any of these clergy who, in succession from the apostles, confect by their sacred word the Body of Christ and through whose efforts also it is that we are Christians” (Letters 14:8 [A.D. 396]). Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. 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Since the rule governing this is not “doctrinal” it can be changed at any time by the Pope and the Church hierarchy. The RCC imitated this pagan practice and in came the “Saints.” A Saint to pray for protection when traveling, Saint of the youth, Saint of cancer. Please tell me, what is so difficult to understand that we are not to call other Christians our spiritual “Father”? Ga 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. […] of my two favorites. This is not a site for debate on Church politics. The first, made of cypress, like Paul VI’s, is to signify that even the popes are human and are buried like common men. I’ve watched this back and forth argument for many weeks now. I think the corps belongs to Pope John the 23rd. Benedict urged the faithful Sunday to learn from Celestine’s sober and simple life. I don’t understand. No where in the Bible does God tell us to dig up bones and display them to be venerated. This proves that they think it a small matter that they themselves are not ashamed of being cut off, and are taking no measures, while they may, to be engrafted anew; they are not content unless they do their utmost to cut others off, and bring them to share their own fate, as withered branches fit for the flames. The Moabites that came were “raiders”, or tomb robbers. 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? Nor did he assert: “Advice everyone to read the Bible”. Plenty of Popes are kept for display inside the crypt in St. Peter Basillica in the Vatican statehood. To answer, let me ask some questions myself. My Comment: Seriously, Alex I adhere only to the Word of God as the complete truth. Tony. Among the saints pictured by journalist Elizabeth Harper is St Paula Frassinetti, displayed in a glass coffin at the Convent of St Dorotea in Rome. This is like disturbing the body, which is prohibited. She said: “I love all religions. No matter what anyone tries to teach me about God…I read the Bible to see if what they say is true. CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey reports. It is therefore wrong to seek new revelations seeing that the Bible declares that the Christian faith is already delivered to us. sin is not a electricity to pass on through generation. Is it not more important that we pray to God, acknowledge Jesus as our Saviour, and try to live as a good and faithful servant? It is out of love that most bother to discuss with Catholics. This is an exageration and I’m fairly certain you don’t believe that At least I hope you don’t. But in truth they neither are so, nor are they able to prove themselves to be what they are not. These are people who have by proof in life here on earth are exemplary humans by there love for Gods children here on earth, and feeding them spiritually and literally! Thanks to this ancient custom, many early documents of the Church have been conserved. I agree with you, Chad. Jesus did say all people were given the Keys of the Kingdom??? Death is sad, yes, but Catholics celebrate it. We don’t Worship relics; we honor the memory of those saints who led morally heroic lives and we are encouraged to emulate them. In the Garden of Rest in Bulawayo there is a Grotto with the statue of Our Lady, holding the corpse of Jesus Christ after the crucifixion before burial. The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. The ‘traditions of men and the devil’ will end up taking many to hell by ‘their own choice’ if they don’t come out of it and seek the Lord for themselves. Home > Rome > Embalmed body of Pope John XXIII, St. Peter's Basilica. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. txlady706, Do a little more studying about the Catholic religion, and you will find out more of what they believe. And I am surprised to hear you say that there is no proof in scripture that Peter was even in Rome. Rijeka Dead Channel in Croatia. ‘You’ are Absolutely correct, “honoring” the LORD because of who He is and what He’s done for ALL mankind is vastly different from what’s being done by the Catholic Church, and in the end when we come to stand before Almighty God some people will sadly learn this too late. Believe me, this so called “infallible” monster is no friend of the Jews and Catholics have routinely persecuted the Jews for countless generations, it wasn’t so long ago that they were burning Non-Catholics alive at the stake. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. God’s revelation reached its climax in Christ, who is the image of the invisible God. “But if there be any [heresies] which are bold enough to plant [their origin] in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [their first] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men—a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. So it is with relics. List of all the dead popes. He was canonised in 1951 and was placed thereafter in a bronze casing. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? : Prev: Next: Location: Vatican City, State of the Vatican City Vatican Puts St. Peter's Bones On Display For The First Time : The Two-Way In a surreal, emotional ceremony, Pope Francis held bone fragments the … “Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. This is an ignorant and off-putting practice. Augustine was one of them. But keep up the good work in the name of JESUS to show all the wrong doings of the Antichrist Church. The Pope has put on public display nine tiny fragments of bone which may belong to St Peter, the first Pope. When considering relics, it is to be remembered that the body and soul are forever one, even when they seem to be separated by death. I was a Protestant 11 years ago, KEY word “protest” is how they got the name, not judging anyone’s faith. How can you say you know Jesus when you do things he says not to do? John 8:46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? And when it had touched the bones of Eliseus, the man came to life and stood upon his feet.”, Matthew 9:20-22 “And behold a woman who was troubled with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment. Or praying to body parts, like holy bones or holy organs. Gloria, HisTruth, and others who love the Lord and know His truth, as you can see from Casey, NO matter what scripture verses you give him (and now Robth4 as well), it seems that “traditons” are more important here (look what he says about the Bible as well??). Where can you get this living water? The Catholic Church rejects the various heresies about the person of Christ, such as the Arian denial of His Deity. The Catholic religion is not Christian. Throw your first class, second class and third class relics in the river, and beg Jesus for mercy. We believe and become members of that church because of our confessing the same as Peter, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And we are blessed also because flesh and blood hasn’t revealed it to us, but the Father which in heaven revealed it to us. Saints (small s) is any living believer according to the bible. if you commit a murder, will your state police let you free without punishing you ? Some people on here just don’t have the knowledge to understand these things. This dead Pope is put for display on the wall of a Church in Italy. Catholics do things that we are commanded not to. Ask any two Protestant preachers how they interpret a passage of the Bible and you will get two different answers.” End. worship of deads leave many unanswered questions like This history is carried in the undisputed history of the church by secular writers. 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. It doesn’t say there is some magical power in them. http://www.torahresource.com/ArticlesEnglish.html. get saved and the Spirit of the Living God will enter you and your eyes will be opened to this wickedness. On top of that, they got Koran kissing Popes, and they give the deity of Jesus to the Pope and Mary. Thus, God made the Holy Scriptures to be read. I hate those who cling to worthless idols; as for me, I trust in the LORD. The Protestant clergy are not trained in moral law, and therefore cannot advise the laity as they should. Protestant principles demand that the Catholic Church is wrong in any of its claims. When I read the Bible, sometimes I know immediately what Christ is saying. He was holy and enjoyed great intimacy with the Lord, and the Lord worked miracles through Paul because of that. The Catholic Church has issues just like all the other ones and is NO different, it breaks my heart that you’re being deceived with the lies that get more elaborate as time goes on. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”, Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 – (Jesus is the First and the Last). If what the RCC says is true, then every person who receives Eucharist is a saved believer (since they have life within then) and every baptized baby is a Christian..even though I have known many baptized Catholics who take Eucharist to believe in reincarnation. Italy, 19th century. I disagree with you completely. The Lord pulled me out of Catholicism and gave me eyes to see the true gospel of Jesus was kept from me. 2. Most of all, reading your bible will protect you from deception. ); he also incenses any relics or images of saints that may be on the altar (ibid.). His Law reveals our sinfulness, and warns us about Hell and the wrath to come. Pope Francis also greeted two bishops carrying the Pachamama object on their shoulders in a procession into St. Peter’s Basilica. Casey has a point Gloria and knows his faith and history. I thank God that the Catholic Church continues to uphold the great truths on the Deity and incarnation, death and bodily resurrection of Christ, as expressed in the ancient creeds from the 3-4th century still used today! Christ chose certain special men: “You have not chosen Me; but I have chosen you.” (John 15:16). For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles [as contained in other churches], will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory” (ibid.). What Jesus said to Peter…he did not say to the Catholic Popes. Well the desire to clean things up backfired somewhat as the Catholic church seem to have more paedophiles per square metre than your average sex offenders wing in a prison. Your comment; pl either think of any other god or be an atheist in life. Religious people are crazy man! 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